“I don’t,” Intel Co-chair Mark Warner denies knowing Immaculate Constellation (unpaywalled)

SSCI Co-chair Mark Warner rides tram underneath US Capitol. Photo: Matt Laslo

Who?

Sen. Mark Warner (D-VA) — Co-chair, Senate Intelligence Committee

LISTEN: Laslo & Warner I (less produced)*

*apologies in advance — quick interview and LOUD cart in Senate basement. Below find a slightly more produced version you may find easier to hear on…

Ask a Pol asks:

Does the phrase ‘immaculate constellation’ ring any bells to you?

Key Warner: 

“How could a constellation be ‘maculate’?” Warner quips to Ask a Pol.

There's a new UAP whistleblower, Matthew Brown, who says that they briefed you all — or your staff — on this program.

“I don’t,” Warner says.*

*when Ask a Pol followed up with Warner’s office we were told, “short answer is no comment.”

Reply to Ask a Pol’s question from Warner’s office.

LISTEN: Laslo & Warner II (easier listening)

Caught our ear:

“I don’t recall,” Warner told Ask a Pol.*

*FLASHBACK: Reminds us of this government classic…

Source: Center for American Progress, April 20, 2007.

Below find a rough transcript of Ask a Pol’s exclusive interview with Sen. Mark Warner (D-VA), slightly edited for clarity.

Sen. John Fetterman (black hoodie on left) and Senate Intel Co-chair Mark Warner (suit center) walk in opposite directions in Capitol basement after Warner walked away from Ask a Pol interview (5-21-2025). Photo: Matt Laslo

TRANSCRIPT: Sen. Mark Warner (5-21-2025)

SCENE: Ask a Pol’s Matt Laslo is mostly trained on the two Senate trams running underneath the US Capitol when, out of the corner of his eye, he notices Sen. Mark Warner’s entering the basement from the Capitol Visitors Center entrance — where one of the Senate SCIF’s is located.

And Senator Warner’s alone — a rarity since Ask a Pol was launched in 2023 — so Laslo scurries up to him, cutting off his colleugues with questions for the powerful Virginian…

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Matt Laslo: “Look at this, young man.”

Mark Warner: “How are you?”

ML: “Does the phrase ‘immaculate constellation’ ring any bells to you?”

MW: “How could a constellation be ‘maculate’?”

Laslo laughs.

ML: “But there's a new UAP whistleblower, Matthew Brown, who says that they briefed you all — or your staff — on this program.”

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MW: “I don’t.”

Senate kitchen staff starts rolling a cart through the Capitol’s basement.

MW: “But can you get me later on?”

ML: “Yeah?”

MW: “I don’t. I do not recall.”

ML: “Do you remember the name ‘David Grusch’?”

MW: “Pardon me?”

ML: “The name ‘David Grusch’ — he was the whistleblower last year that came out…”

MW: “I remember that name at least.”*

*Message us or comment if you think you know what he says. We have a hunch ourselves…but we don’t publish hunches.**

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ML: “He's been hired by the House to help with their investigation. What do you make of that?”

MW: “John…”

Warner sees Sen. John Fetterman (D-PA) and proceeds to wisper something to him before jetting to an elevator — never even saying ‘goodbye’ to Ask a Pol…

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