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UAP Caucus Co-chair on Immaculate Constellation: “I don’t think it was just government entities”
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UAP Caucus Co-chair on Immaculate Constellation: “I don’t think it was just government entities”

Ep. 355 — Rep. Tim Burchett (5-7-2025)
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Congressional UAP Caucus Co-chair Tim Burchett chats on the Capitol steps ahead of a vote on the House floor (5-7-2025). Photo: Matt Laslo

Who?

Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN) — Co-chair, Congressional UAP Caucus; Member, Task Force on Declassification of Federal Secrets

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Ask a Pol asks:

Folks online are saying that y'all on the Congressional UAP Caucus knew about Immaculate Constellation more than y'all let on in last November’s public UAP hearing?

Key Burchett:

I didn't,” Rep. Tim Burchett exclusively tells Ask a Pol. “I talked about it — what was made public — but just shortly before.”

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Immaculate Constellation classified; some declassified

If it was classified, y'all wouldn't be able to talk about it?

“Correct,” Burchett says.

And it's still classified, right?

“I don't know,” Burchett says. “What I was told was definitely not classified.”

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Caught our ear:

I don’t think it was just government entities,” Burchett tells us of Immaculate Constellation.

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Below find a rough transcript of Ask a Pol’s exclusive interview with Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN), slightly edited for clarity.

TRANSCRIPT: Rep. Tim Burchett (5-7-2025)

SCENE: Ahead of a House vote, Ask a Pol’s Matt Laslo runs out ahead of other reporters to get Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN) solo before the rest of the press corps can pounce…

UAP Caucus Co-chair Burchett chats with a tieless Manu Raja of CNN as Rep. Byron Donalds walks up the Capitol steps to vote Wednesday. Photo: Matt Laslo

Matt Laslo: “Look at this young man.”

Tim Burchett: “Hey brother?”

ML: “How you livin?”

Burchett turns to a pale reporter on this sunny day.

TB: “Sunscreen. What’d I tell ya?”

Laslo laughs.

Reporter: “I wear sunscreen.”

TB: “Alright, you better.”

ML: “Hey, what is this they're saying online about you — you know I don't trust everything I read online — but they're saying…”

TB: “No? But Abraham Lincoln said that.”

Laslo laughs.

ML: “Right?”

Burchett turns to an aide with him.

TB: “Hey, this is my new press guy, you know him, Bill?”

Also reaches out to shake his hand.

ML: “Hey — Matt Laslo.”

Aide: “Bill…”

TB: “Matt’s okay. He’s not…”

ML: “Decent. Don't trust me…”

TB: “Naw, I trust you.”

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Laslo looks back to the congressman.

ML: “But they're saying that y'all knew about Immaculate Constellation more than y'all let on?”

TB: “I didn't.”

ML: “You didn't?”

TB: “I talked about it — what was made public — but just shortly before, but…”

ML: “That's where I'm curious…”

TB: “…I don’t think it was just government entities.”

ML: “Yeah? Well, if it was classified, y'all wouldn't be able to talk about it?”

TB: “Correct.”

ML: “And it's still classified, right?”

TB: “I don't know. I was just — what I was told was definitely not classified.”

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ML: “Yeah?”

TB: “I have to go back to even look it up to which one it is.”

ML: “Yeah, right?”

TB: “Alright? I'm sorry.”

ML: “Have you heard of this new guy, Matthew Brown…?”

Manu Raju (CNN): “Mr. Burchett, how are you doing?”

TB: “Good baby. You good?”

MR: “I’m doing good.”

ML: “Tell him to get a new tie.”

They laugh.

TB: “You know, if you’re on the House floor the (inaudible) will come grab your ass if they see ya.”

MR: “Yeah? Oh really?”

TB: “I think it's cool. I mean, I would always wear a tie.”

Laslo laughs.

TB: “You what…?”

They keep bantering until Congressman Byron Donalds comes strolling up in a dark suit and subtle, slick red tie.*

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ML: “See Manu, that’s a tie.”

They laugh before Donalds and Burchett start walking up to House floor together, but Burchett turns back to Laslo.

TB: “I’ll find out.”

ML: “Cool, cool.”

Aide: “Nice to meet you Matt.”

Laslo turns to Burchett.

ML: “Preciate ya.”

Laslo turns to new aide.

ML: “You as well.”

Burchett then sends his press secretary back to Laslo.

TB: “Hey, get — tell him the name of that again.”

ML: “I was gonna say, it’s ‘Immaculate Constellation.’”

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Laslo hands him a business card.

ML: “This has my cell on it.”

Aide: “Got it. My cards are still in the mail.”

ML: “It's all good. Like I do separate stuff with Substacks — this is Ask a Pol UAP. But I’m also Wired Magazine contributor, professor at Hopkins, etc.”

Aide: “Hey, are you gonna be out here in like 10 minutes?”

ML: “Yeah, I should be — or feel free to just text that.”

Aide: “Alright. Yeah. I’ll text you.”

ML: “Awesome. Good to meet you.”

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Discussion about this episode

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Catchickenchic's avatar

Hey Matt, the last thing you had asked him before the tie guy interrupted was Matthew Brown, not Immaculate Constellation. Don't forget to pass that one to the aide...

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Yellow_Warbler's avatar

👍🏻✨also interested! Matthew Brown, Jake Barber update , thoughts on new (Disclosure?!)- Pope, new postponed hearing date...?!

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