Veteran HPSCI member unaware of any Project Preserve Destiny briefing on NHI

Rep. André Carson heads up the US Capitol steps on his way to vote on the floor of the House of Representatives. Photo: Matt Laslo

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Rep. André Carson (D-IN) — Member, House Intelligence Committee

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Ask a Pol asks:

Have you heard of Project Preserve Destiny on NHI — non-human intelligence — because some outlets are claiming President Donald Trump has been briefed on the program and NHI?

Key Carson:

“Help me out,” Rep. André Carson exclusively tells Ask a Pol. “No, can’t say I have.”

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“USAF Sgt. Dan Sherman is told that in [January 1963] the first “embryo” was produced under Project Preserve Destiny that aimed to develop people with “intcomm” (intuitive communications) abilities to community with non-human intelligence. Source: Written testimony Michael Shellenberger submitted before testifying publicly before the US House Oversight Committee.

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Caught our ear:

Have you all on the House Intelligence Committee had a briefing on non-human intelligence?

“I can’t say we’ve had a briefing on it, my brother,” Carson tells us.

Below find a rough transcript of Ask a Pol’s exclusive interview with Rep. André Carson (D-IN), slightly edited for clarity.

TRANSCRIPT: Rep. André Carson (7-22-2025)

Scene: Rep. Andre Carson just parked his jeep on the Capitol grounds when Ask a Pol’s Matt Laslo catches him for a quick interview before he heads inside the US Capitol to vote.

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Matt Laslo: “Look at this young man!”

André Carson: “Hey handsome, what’s up my brother?”

ML: “Have you heard of Project Preserve Destiny?”

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AB: “Help me out.”

ML: “It’s supposed to be on NHI — non-human intelligence — all that good stuff. Well, some outlets are claiming that President Trump has been briefed on it and NHI. Have you heard of that?”

AB: “No, can’t say I have my brother.”

ML: “Have you guys on Intel — have you had a briefing on non-human intelligence?”

AB: “I can’t — I can’t say we’ve had a briefing on it, my brother.”

ML: “No?”

AB: “Fascinating.”

ML: “Yeah.”

AB: “Fascinating, thank you.”

ML: “Preciate ya!”

AB: “Yes sir!”

Spencer Newman contributed to this report.